Tam Baillie

From youth clubs in Ibrox to Scotland's Commissioner for Children and Young People

10 Mar 2011

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When you ask Scotland's Children's Commissioner for Children and Young People to explain how he got involved in working with children and young people, "chance" is not the first answer you may be expecting to hear.  But for Tam Baillie, Scotland's second Children's Commissioner, "chance" it was.  It was the 1970s, and Tam had just finished university and was working on the building sites when he was offered a job under the Government's Job Creation Scheme setting up an old age pensioners' library in Ibrox.  The scheme, associated with Bellahouston Steven Parish Church (Rev Dr Johnston McKay was minister at the time), developed into a project which, in addition to the library, saw Tam establishing youth clubs which ran four nights a week. This is where he got his first experiences of working with young people.  From there, he moved on to delivering "intermediate treatment" to some of Glasgow's youngsters on the edge of entering care or offending, followed by a spell of employment in social work in Nottingham and Liverpool around the time of Willie Whitelaw's "short, sharp shocks", trying to provide alternatives to custody in the juvenile magistrate's court system.

Wanting his children to be educated in Scotland, Tam relocated his family back to Glasgow, where he set up the first direct action homelessness centre in the city.  This was at a time when homelessness was rapidly rising, HIV was beginning to become an issue, albeit one about which there was a great degree of fear and ignorance; and drug abuse was increasing too.  However, the job that Tam credits with having "crystallised my motivation" was doing street work with young people in Glasgow city centre.  Although an experienced youth worker by this point, Tam was not fully prepared for the horrors he encountered:  "those were some of the most shocking experiences that I have come across in terms of children and young people.  Young people who had been raped, abducted, beaten up… many had serious drug and alcohol issues…mental health problems."  The project worked by "scooping them up and trying to plug them back into systems", and in doing so, attracted the interest of policymakers.  This was Tam's route into policy work, and was an avenue which he keenly pursued, eventually becoming head of policy at Barnardo's.

This combination of a wealth of on-the-ground experience and policy work equipped Tam well for becoming Scotland's second Commissioner for Children and Young People in 2009, something which seemed a "natural move" for him to make.  His term of office has recently been confirmed by the Scottish Parliament for a further six years. He acknowledged the negative media coverage which had emerged at the time of this decision, noting that whilst on the one hand engagement with the media is crucial, "the media are always looking for the Commissioner to comment on just about anything with regards to children and young people"; on the other, " it's a very personal role too", with criticism of the role easily merging with criticism at a personal level.   He is aware of the criticisms which are levelled against the way he is going about his role, with his style being very different to that of the first Commissioner, Kathleen Marshall.  However, in his first job, recognising that Tam was young and headstrong, the minister who he worked with had said to him "whenever you know you're absolutely right, that's the time to think again." This is a piece of advice which Tam has held on to, and in applying that self-evaluation, he firmly believes that he is fulfilling the role of Commissioner in an effective way.

Tam is, however, pragmatic about the scale of the task before him: "the demands on this role are really wide …you can't satisfy everyone.  The more you limit the areas you work in, the more you leave yourself open to not covering all the issues, but the more you try and cover all the issues, the more likely it is that you're not going to have penetration in any of them, so that's a huge balancing act."

Nevertheless, he identifies the three main issues which he sees as priorities.  Firstly, keeping children at the centre is crucial: "history tells us that children's services suffer disproportionately in budget cuts".  Secondly, child poverty is of great concern, and Tam describes it as "the most corrosive impact on children's lives right through childhood; and the most corrosive impact on children's rights.  We need to have a more even and equitable society. Even if we get lots of other stuff right, but we continue to live in an unequal society, it will continue to produce children with lesser life chances than their peers."  Thirdly, Tam believes that there needs to be a much firmer focus on early intervention, particularly from pregnancy to three years.  While he gives credit to the government for their work on the issue, including the Early Years Framework, "I think a lot more could and should be done … it's not been implemented as assertively as it could have been."

Although appointed by the Scottish Parliament, the role of the Commissioner is non-partisan, making Tam ideally placed to be a champion for the rights of children and young people regardless of the political make-up of the Parliament.  As we approach the elections to the Scottish Parliament on 5 May, when asked what one thing he would ask for of the new administration, Tam apologised, "I'm afraid it would have to be those three!" However, whatever the outcome of the election in May, Tam is clear about one thing: if progress is to be made in improving the lives of all of Scotland's children, politicians need to work together.  He finds that "dealing with politicians is relatively straightforward; they understand the issues and realise the challenge. The biggest challenge is getting them to take politics out of it, and to be able to work on a cross-party basis, seeking cross-party agreement on those things that really matter for our children and young people."

Tam is keen not to paint an altogether gloomy picture of the situation in Scotland for children and young people: "most children in Scotland grow up to be reasonably well adjusted adults, and the reason for that is because they've got good experiences at home, education, and good health.  In many instances we're doing well by our children and young people. Lots of what we do ordinarily is satisfying children's rights.  We just don't set it in that context, and that's one of my main objectives, to raise awareness and understanding of UNCRC (the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child), because I think it can help us in the long term point to where we could and should be doing better."

Tam has taken an interactive approach to this goal of awareness-raising, travelling around the country getting children, and people who work with children, to take part in "A Right Blether".  Speaking to groups large and small, from directors of social work and education departments, to children in schools and groups around Scotland, Tam has spoken to more than 12,000 children in a consultation which will form part of his priorities for the rest of his term of office.  However, "A Right Blether's doing a lot more than just consultation.  It's… getting hundreds and hundreds of people working with children to get engaged and excited about talking about children's rights, so that they're not a stick to get beaten up by; they're something that they're familiar with, they're something that we can build on for the future."

Nevertheless, he is realistic about the scale of problems facing too many children in Scotland today.  "The flipside of all of that is that too many of our children don't experience good family life, good education, good health, good leisure facilities. 55,000 living with substance-misusing parents; 65,000 living with alcohol misusing parents; 100,000 in families with domestic abuse; 250,000 children living in poverty. These are enormous challenges for Scottish society."  Tam's focus is therefore on the 'vulnerable' population of Scotland's children: children living with disability, children in families with substance misuse or poverty, and children in care.  But of all of these groups, Tam speaks with the most passion about children in our care system.

He believes that, although there are some examples of good practice, "if we're being honest with ourselves, there's been little movement in terms of the age that young people leave care."  In contrast to the average age at which young people leave the family home, in their mid-twenties, and rising; it remains the customary practice that young people in care, often the most vulnerable children and young people, leave at 16 or 17.  "My belief is that we should be prepared to care for young people in age appropriate care for longer periods, and we should certainly take a similar approach to our young people who are in care as we do with young people who are in the family home.  When my children say to me 'I'm leaving home at 16', my response is: 'are you? And how are you going to do that? Because your place is here.' We should be reflecting the expectations of caring and nurturing and continuing to be responsible in the same way that we do as parents; the figures tell us we do something different."  He also reflects that the way in which young people leave care is very different to the pattern of leaving the family home: returning, then leaving for a longer period, and returning, until they have established themselves living away from home.  "Young people leave care in a linear fashion. They're expected to go from a care environment, to maybe a semi-supported accommodation environment, to a lesser-supported accommodation environment, to their own tenancy, in a linear way, there's not much capacity for them to move back.  There's certainly no capacity for them to move back into care once they've left.  But by definition, these are young people that may not, in many instances, have anywhere else to go."

It is the combination of these factors that make young people who have been living in the care system so vulnerable to homelessness, and chaotic lifestyles, a situation in which Tam has seen little improvement on since his days working in the homeless shelter in Glasgow.  "… I feel really strongly about this one.  But I think it has to move on a stage.  The production of yet another report, detailing the plight of young people leaving care, I think we're beyond that now, I don't think that's good enough.  I think what has to happen is we have to move into a much more formal process such as our inspection regimes, taking a much keener look at what is actually happening."

Working across the jurisdictions to improve children's rights are four Commissioners for Children and Young People, one each for Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.  Tam has a good working relationship with his colleagues, and reports good join working practices.  Although he realising that "you can't go too far ahead of the devolved arrangements", there is an understanding that the Commissioners will work on issues relating to children in their jurisdictions.  When asked whether there are any issues specific to one nation over the others, he thinks that it is very much a "mixed bag".  "I think we've got particular issues with regard to our substance and alcohol misusing parents; that's already been given a very high focus.  But we've got some very particular things which we should feel good about as well: we've got a Children's Hearings System, which other jurisdictions look at with envy".  However, he gives an example of the Welsh system, where a measure has recently been passed which requires the UNCRC to be taken into account in the passage of new legislation in the Welsh Assembly; something that is not currently required of any of the other Parliaments or devolved Assemblies. These national variations give opportunities for cross-border learning amongst the Commissioners, something which perhaps will inform policymakers in each of the nations.  Their findings are also reported to the UN, a way of keeping the UK accountable to its obligations under the UNCRC.

However, this reporting does not necessarily guarantee compliance.  Tam recognises the "confusing, different age barriers" that currently exist in the UK, particularly relating to "that vulnerable age of 16, 17, which we as a society are quite ambivalent about, about whether they're children or adults.  UNCRC are quite clear - they're children."  (The UNCRC defines a child as under 18, unless the child has been in care, in which case it is under 21) Although Scotland has a Children's Hearings System which focuses on the welfare of the child, 16 and 17 year old offenders who haven't already been in the system before they were 16 are dealt with in court, meaning that there is a high number of 16 and 17 year olds experiencing custody.  The age of criminal responsibility in Scotland remains at 8, which Tam describes as "unacceptably low".

A common thread running through Tam's assessment of the political situation regarding children and young people is the reliance on the issues being placed high enough on the political agenda for appropriate action to be taken.  He gives the example from his time at Barnardo's, recalling an Institute for Fiscal Studies which (correctly) predicted that the UK Government's target to halve child poverty by 2010 would not be met, and that for the target to be met, an investment of £3bn would be required.  "I thought, how are we going to convince people of £3bn, that's a really tall order.  Then the financial crisis came along, and the Government allocated £150bn to bail out the banks, and that told me it was about political priorities… people often say that they're [children] a top priority but in reality it doesn't work out like that."  If one thing is for certain, in Scotland's Commissioner for Children and Young People, Scotland has a tenacious advocate for children's rights.  Whether politicians will prioritise the issues affecting our children and young people is a different question.