George Reid MSP

“People don’t like what it has cost"

10 Jun 2004

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Master of understatement and Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament, George Reid acknowledges that "people don't like what it has cost, but they recognise the money has been spent and they want us now to get on". He says that Holyrood has been quite a hard experience and that he has spent the last year "simply willing the building into existence". He hopes that they can now get on with things because "we can't live in the past all the time".

Despite all the trauma he feels that Holyrood (George is a stickler for 'Holy'rood; you may say 'Holly'rood - both are acceptable) has been built to a pretty good standard. He also points out that Holyrood is not a building but a "village, a collection of buildings, which was intentional as "power these days is always layered and shared". He reports that the best vantage point to view Holyrood is from Salisbury Crags (cue for an SCPO expedition!). From there it is easier to see what the architect Enric Miralles said about Holyrood being rooted in the soil of Edinburgh. And this is what appeals most to George Reid about the new building(s) - "it is the land of Scotland that endures forever and it's fused with the Royal Mile, which is the history of Scotland, and I like that. I think land and history fused on one site is a challenge to all of us".

He enjoys the irony of "sitting in Queensberry House, the home of the Duke of Queensberry who signed the Treaty of the Union giving away the Scots Parliament, and here am I today, in this little office ... which was his inner sanctum, bringing life into a new democracy in Scotland. I think it is very pleasant". Asked if this gives him a sense of revenge, he says it doesn't; it simply completes the circle.

It's hard to talk about the new building and not bring up how the media have portrayed its inception. For his part, the Presiding Officer isn't about to go beating with sticks the majority of journalists who "are doing their best". He says that it is perfectly right that the media hold politicians up to scrutiny, but he feels that they have a duty to report facts as they actually are. Therefore it frustrates him when a very small number of journalists report "a tiny dribble which wet a carpet" as "an enormous amount of water rushes into Parliament" - and completely disregard the facts that the Parliament's own media office have made known to them.

George himself is no stranger to the machinations of the media having worked as a reporter, television presenter and producer in his time. In fact it was "a mistake" that diverted him from his media career into politics. It was when he was in the process of moving from STV to ITN that he was asked "if I would plug a gap for the SNP in 1973 in the month of December". He phoned Sir Jeffrey Cox (ITN editor) and said "do you mind if I come a month later because the SNP would like me to fight an election?" "Are you going to win?"; "no, not a hope - a Labour majority of 10,000". But he won. So, despite not having planned his new career, he became the MP for Clackmannan and East Stirlingshire (he only ever fights elections in Clackmannanshire because it is where his family have lived for hundreds of years). He was elected in both the February and October of 1974 but was defeated in 1979; he doesn't regret that, as "the writing was on the wall".

 

He then worked for the BBC before accepting an invitation to become the Director of Public Affairs for the International Red Cross in Geneva in 1984. He worked for the Red Cross for fifteen years ("I was away during the Thatcher years and some might say that was a reasonable thing to do"). He observes that he did more good in those years than he has ever probably done in politics. And this is no surprise when you consider that he was part of major relief and reconstruction operations in disaster and conflict zones. He says that any regrets that he might have would probably be to do with not having done more in his Red Cross years.

After returning to Scotland in 1996 he re-engaged in politics and was part of the Consultative Steering Group which drew up the blueprint for how the Scottish Parliament would operate. His biggest political highlight was "being elected to the first Scots Parliament in 300 years". Although ambitious for his country, he says that he is content with what they have got. He also feels that the Scottish Parliament is a completely different sort of beast to Westminster; it is more European in style, as it has (by and large) adopted a conversational rather than confrontational way of working (reflected in the new building), has a "rainbow" political spread of parties thanks to PR, and MSPs feel free to come to work in Saville Row suits or jeans.

Now that the MSPs and parliamentary staff have flitted to Holyrood he believes that the Parliament must get on with building "a sustainable Scotland which competes in a global world". This translates into: "No-one owes Scotland a living. If we don't make the money, we can't build a compassionate country. So we have to be focused on a society of wealth creation - there is nothing wrong with that. It is what we do with the money that matters". He believes that Scotland should be egalitarian and compassionate, but, to achieve this vision, Scotland has to be able to compete globally.

When asked if he sees a role for the churches in his vision for Scotland, he replies that he thinks Scotland needs "more turbulent priests. I think at times the Church is terribly cautious". He goes on to say that "there is not much point in having a nice prosperous consumer Scotland unless there is some ethical value to it. That is the job of the Church - to poke, to prod, to question, to deal with fundamental Christian values. When you come through the gates of Queensberry House you can speak to infinity but "if you have not got love, you have nothing" (the text from 1Corinthians 13 is engraved in stone in the entrance, in Scots).

Away from politics, it turns out that George has "an extraordinary interest in Balkan history" - it's what he studied at St Andrew's University. In his time free from Parliamentary and grandfatherly duties, "you will find me tucked up reading quite abstruse books on Bulgarian or Roman or Macedonian politics and I intend, if I am spared, to do quite a lot about that". As a result of this interest he would have quite liked to have sat down with Trotsky, who despite, or perhaps because he was a very nasty person, had a "febrile and fascinating brain". He would also have liked to talk to Clement Atlee. He admires Atlee because "he did the business"; the man was not grandiose but brought in a raft of social reforms transforming the quality of life in Scotland declaring fair shares for all, and in addition to that was "a tough little man, too, you know".

George's personal motto is not to be a tough little man but it is something that he has borrowed from a seat across the road from him, erected in memory of a woman called Mary who it says "always tried to do her best": "you can't do much more than that".