Eleanor Scott MSP

"To harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator"

10 Sep 2003

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"To harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator", says Eleanor Scott, quoting from native American philosopher Chief Seattle. It may seem a strange thing for the self-confessed "least spiritual member of the Green group" of MSPs to say, but she admits to having some spiritual influences.  Many of the people she has been influenced by have been very spiritual. Her mother grew up in a very religious mining community in Lanarkshire and "has a bible for perfect attendance for 5 years at Sunday School" but later became very anti-religion. Now in her eighties, "she would deny it, but she's very influenced by the teachings she grew up with and you can see that in the values she holds." It is to her mother she attributes her sense of justice and fair play. She "personified both the best and worst of socialism", says Scott, "if she had a box of chocolates everyone got two and if you only wanted one she couldn't cope with that!  Everybody would have to have two chocolates - not three or only one"; she was "scrupulously fair". The "environmental side of things" stems from her father, a keen gardener who was interested in nature.

Eleanor's first association with politics in her teens was influenced by the fact of her best friend's father being a Labour councillor. "I reckoned I was a socialist and the Labour Party was socialist," she says. The local branch had a rather ageing activist base and welcomed the teenagers' ability to go upstairs and put leaflets through doors. "They didn't actually want to hear our ideas but they wanted our leg power" she remarks ruefully.  So she joined the party when she was 15 and left four years later after a dispute over candidate selection. It wasn't until 1989 that she joined the Green Party, having found there was a party which reflected her ideals.

If there's one thing guaranteed to make her blood boil it's people taking the earth for granted or "thinking you can continue to abuse it and it will heal itself and be there for us." She has little time for people who don't think about where things come from, especially those who are educated and comfortably off, who "should know better", who seem to think "mobile phones grow on trees and electricity happens by magic when you switch the light on … quite well educated people that have no excuse to be as ignorant as that." She recounts the time she heard a woman on the radio remark that they had heard of someone in South America who lived entirely on natural resources - "and I thought what does she think she lives on?"

Concern for the environment is intertwined for her with concern for the community. "Green philosophy is built on the twin pillars of environmental and social justice. They are both equally important and you can't have one without the other…. environmental degradation affects poor people much worse than it affects the rich who can distance themselves."

EF Schumacher's groundbreaking book 'Small is beautiful' - subtitled 'a study of economics as if people mattered' and published in 1973 - has been a major influence. Others she admires include French farmer Jose Bove, the anti-big business activist, jailed for destroying a Macdonalds; and, from the Highlands, organic farmer and GM protester Donnie MacLeod - also a candidate for the Greens - who spent time in jail for refusing to give evidence against another protester: "he is a man who tried to protect a local farmer, a respectable business man, not somebody you would expect to find in jail, but he was prepared to do that for his beliefs so he's a local hero".

The volume of post and emails have been a "bit of an eye-opener." Everyone who produces a report sends a copy to all the MSPs automatically, she reflects, creating a "huge amount of mail and a mountain of e-mails… I didn't expect it to be an easy job but I am amazed at the volume of paper which comes to the office". The Westminster-style debating, she has found a bit disappointing. "A government minister says something and the backbenchers all cheer and bang on the desk and then the opposition says something and the SNP all cheer and bang on theirs."

The media seem to find the Greens position difficult to deal with, accusing them of "having it both ways - supporting both government and opposition" but she sees no conflict in agreeing with the government on a particular issue and with the opposition on another; "We can maybe show that there is a more constructive approach to politics. I think that would engage a lot of people who would otherwise see it as a bit of a dog fight."

As for the role of the Church in civic society, Scott perceives a parallel with that of the Greens in Parliament. Robin Harper has been described as the 'green conscience' of the parliament and "in many ways the churches have been the conscience of society… that's recognised even by people like myself who aren't churchgoers." Neither the churches nor the Greens represent a majority of people, she notes, yet have a "particular voice because (they) have a particular message".

Scott hopes for a Scotland where environmental aspects are mainstreamed into every issue: "a political thinking where automatically … the environmental and social aspects of it are part of the equation right from the beginning, so you wouldn't dream of proposing a motorway without thinking "is this going to increase traffic, is this going to increase pollution, how is it going to affect people living beside it?"

Scott maintains that the Green Party policy of lowering voting age to 16 would make a real impact. "When they are doing standard grades and highers at school, young people are quite politically aware and passionate about issues.  By the time they are 18 they have often left school and taken on adult cynicism. I think if they get into the voting habit at 16 you might keep them there" she explains.

Scott's long-term partner, Rob Gibson, is also a Highlands list MSP - representing the SNP. It's something they are evidently very comfortable with, having been active in their respective parties before the relationship began, and the perks include having someone to travel with to Parliament. "If one of us got elected and the other hadn't, the one that wasn't elected would have been very supportive but there would have been a sense of …" she makes a frustrated face "through clenched teeth - terribly supportive but …!"

The established parties regard the Greens a 'bit more seriously now.' She smiles as she recalls how inexplicably generous the Labour Party were, following a re-allocation of space in Parliament HQ. The Green group suddenly found themselves with a better office with lots of windows and light - "we wondered why they were being so nice to us, then we realised they didn't want us being next door to the SSP!"

In addition to a nice office, the Greens find themselves with much more tangible benefits - a deputy convenership of the Environment Committee, and it's Eleanor Scott who is to fill this role. The former community paediatrician also holds the Greens' health portfolio, so what are her hopes for this session of parliament? "I just hope that what comes out of this parliament will be greener than what come out of the last parliament because of our influence.  I can't say more than that. "